Joram Van became Muslim! While Writing Anti-Islam Book 2019

While Writing Anti-Islam Book Joram Van Klaveren became Muslim!

Intro

Today, we had the honor of talking about an interview of Joram Van Klaveren, featuring his remarkable journey of embracing Islam, alongside his acceptance of the religion. This transformation sheds light on the complexities of faith and personal growth in his life.

Joram Van Klaveren, once a staunch anti-Islamic politician, underwent an intriguing transformation to embrace Islam. His story is not without its challenges; during that time, he received numerous death threats, which deprived him of sleep for many nights.

The statement of a former member of the Freedom Party, an organization deeply rooted in anti-Islamic sentiments, regarding his conversion to Islam, is a unique and thought-provoking revelation. This is a story that exemplifies the capabilities of transformation and self-discovery in human beings.

Initially, Joram Van Klaveren, intended to write an anti-Islamic book, but life took an entirely unexpected turn for him. His conversion to Islam presents a compelling narrative, raising questions about how and why people in Europe are changing their beliefs.

This story offers valuable insights into the broader context of belief in Europe and the issue of Islamophobia that still prevails. Van’s journey serves as evidence of the power of transformation, understanding, and acceptance. So, following is  an exact glimpse of a conversation with Joram Van Klaveren.

First of all, may I ask you who is Joram Van ?

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Thank you so much for the invitation; it’s a wonderful honor for me to be here. Born in Amsterdam on January 23, 1979, Jordan  came from a fairly typical household consisting of a father, mother, brother who wasn’t a brother, younger sister, and cat.
The narrative then shifts to the educational journey, noting a professor in comparative religion and significant life changes in the Netherlands. A transformative moment occurs when the Joram Van embraces Islam, leading to political involvement with the Freedom Party.

I became a member of Parliament, and I made the decision to write anti-Islamic literature. The book started as an anti-Islamic book, but I underwent a transformation in my search for God. In the end, I embraced Islam.

How has joram Van’s life been in terms of faith? What did you believe in?

I was a Protestant Christian in the Reformed Church, in which we all read the Bible. We all got baptized, attended church, and so on, so we were beautiful Christians in that sense. I truly believe in it. There is a Creator whom I believe will be in heaven. I believe in angels’ revelations in hell and, indeed, that separates Christians.

Muslims believe in it, and I have faith in it. Jesus Christ was the Son of God. I believed in a more philosophical way, that He was God Himself, truly. I believed in the Resurrection and the Crucifixion for redemption, though it’s complicated due to the concept of the Trinity, whether you believe it or not. It’s still very complex.

It’s complicated because if there is a God, the Bible says that God is eternal, but if you are eternal and there’s only one God, you cannot die at the same time. This was something I began to think in my 16s or 17s when I was a little older. Questioning such things is not strange, and I talked to many people. Priests and missionaries, to the extent that the answers I received were not very comforting.

They made it more complex for me in a way. In the end, I had doubts about it. On the one hand, I thought it was okay, and I believed in God. And maybe I’m not that smart. I got a complete picture, and I still had faith in God. Jesus was a very important person. I Believe that.

He was the Son of God, but how? He was exactly the one I left it for. After high school, I went to a university, and I faced considerable religious differences. In my opinion, it was the first day of a significant clash of religions. I was going to college on September 11, 2001, when I already thought those Muslims were  People who were crazy, and that religion was not true.

How and why did joram Van’s decide to write an anti-Islamic book?

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The topic at hand is an anti-Islamic book, and it delves into the question of faith and purpose in life. The narrative touches on the profound and regretful expressions of one’s journey and their contribution to Islam.

The decision to embrace Islam is considered in light of the reactions from those in one’s surroundings, leading to a personal reflection on the nature of this faith. The narrative takes a skeptical view of Islam, portraying it as a source of danger, with over 2,000 death threats cited as evidence. Ultimately, the decision to write an anti-Islamic book is born out of a desire for a divine sign, a symbol of unwavering conviction.

The Joram Van expresses their initial struggle with this newfound belief, culminating in a realization that life had taken a rather unusual turn. Gratitude is extended for accepting an invitation, and the Joram Van concludes by expressing honor in being part of this journey.

Teo Van Gogh was a famous filmmaker, and he tragically lost his life on the very street where he worked. He was shot, and there was an attempt to slit his throat. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, another well-known figure, received a letter warning that she might face a similar fate. These events and the threats made against them deepened my anti-Islamic sentiments and led me to consider getting involved in politics to address such acts of violence and hatred.

In our country, I embarked on my political journey, driven by concerns about the perceived threats associated with Islam. It was during this time that Joram Van Klaveren, a fellow politician, came into the picture.

But why was Islam perceived as a threat when I was writing my book?

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The perception of Islam as a threat was rooted in various factors and misunderstandings, which I aimed to address in my writing. I had doubts and misconceptions about my own Christian faith, even though I had been a devout Christian. During this time, I found myself grappling with questions about Christianity, and the role of the Pope and the religious aspects that surrounded my Christian upbringing.

To seek a more logical and comprehensive understanding, I decided to revisit the Bible. Why did I do that? To refresh my knowledge and explore the concept of the unity of God in Islam, which presented an alternative perspective that I found intriguing

But why?

It is not the concept of God that I find. Why does religion teach something other than that?I began to question why there were differences in the way religions, including Christianity, taught certain concepts about God. I was curious about the underlying reasons for these disparities. this concept of God’s unity is such a thing. If it’s true, then how did it all begin?

Why did I start questioning it?

The concept of God’s unity in Islam intrigued me. I found it to be a compelling idea. As I delved deeper into this concept, I couldn’t help but question how it all began and why I had not encountered it earlier in my religious studies. These questions led me on a journey of exploration and self-discovery.

So, my writing and exploration were driven by a desire to understand these questions and to provide clarity on these complex religious and theological concepts.

During your Research, What Methods did joram Van use?

Well, during the course of my work, I utilized various resources. It was a bewildering journey, and it began with writing to many scholars. In the realm of religious matters, among them, one was Sheikh Abdul Hakim, who is a professor from Cambridge University, although it was quite unusual, considering I was a politician at the time.

Writing an anti-Islam book was my objective, and I was inquiring about it with Muslim professors from other countries. One of them offered to assist me, and I disclosed my numerous questions about writing such a book. So, I was quite clear about why I thought this way. Promoting terrorism in the name of Islam is absurd. Why is it anti-woman, anti-Christian, and anti-W?

Everything I contemplated, he had also sent after a few weeks. I received a comprehensive email, and he initiated a direct response to many of my concerns. He asked questions, but he also informed me that you have options.

To read this article, read this book. So, he questioned the person with that book, and thus, he was well-versed in its content. Clarifications were made, but in the end, after reading it all, he crafted all those books and articles into a comparison between ancient prophets and a covenant with the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). I had no evidence. Now, to say that he is a prophet (peace be upon him) and that I cannot accept him, but there’s something else, so I thought, “Why not?”

I thought that he was indeed a Muhammad (peace be upon him) and I pondered. Perhaps because he had many wives. Then, when you see Solomon, King David, or Abraham, they are there. In the old covenants, many people, most of whom had more wives, and when you look outside of religious books.

Culturally, in Europe, Africa, and Asia, there were people everywhere. For various reasons, the women were discussing this, and I told them, “Well, there can’t be just one reason. Either each of these reasons got lost one by one, or in the end, I thought well. What was the reason for the discussion among the women?

I had to say that these are not all prophets, but I didn’t believe it because I thought about the things they did. They said there were miracles, and their words were confirmed. And they did what they did, and then I thought, “Well, I have to believe it.”

Perhaps Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is a prophet. But I was still skeptical. So first, I, considering history, said, ‘Okay, maybe he’s not that bad, but he is.’

He’s not a prophet Muhammad ﷺ and, in the end, I started. I’m sure he ﷺ might be a prophet. Yes, he has certainly taught me a lot.

But again, and one thing that Abdul Hakeem Murad was very smart to say was. He said that the books you read with anti-Islam perspective are written by non-Muslims. If you want to know more about Christianity? You should read books by Christian authors. And if you want to know about Islam. Read them with Islamic evidence.

You don’t read books by atheists. Start reading books. There are reasons for it, so start reading with Islam. You can study Islamic books from Islamic scholars. And then you can compare these books.  Where they took the wrong turn, the mistranslated words. What is the speaker’s ultimate message regarding reading and learning about Islam?

Sometimes, perhaps even unintentionally, but just because they didn’t know where things were added or where things were left out. So, in the end, you see there’s this other religion almost created because of all these things. That’s what I did, and that’s what I also did with the life of the Muhammad (peace be upon him).

I read a book by Martin Lings, The Life of the Muhammad (peace be upon him) based on the earliest source of Muhammad. It was written, of course, by a convert, and way of reasoning, way of telling, and way of writing appealed to  me because it’s culturally the same thing. How does joram Van approach a certain topic, etc.?

For the first time, I viewed him less as a warlord than I had previously thought—instead, I saw him as a friend, a father, and a teacher, and so much more. So, yeah, I saw the person in his character and said, ‘Well, I can’t say a lot, but I cannot say that this is not a good person’.

What surprised you the most while doing joram Van research?

The story about Hinda. There was something that, like a switch, I had to change. I thought Hinda was the wife of one of the enemies, Abu Sufiyan, and in a way, they gave money to kill Hamza, the favorite uncle of the Muhammad (peace be upon him).

That’s what happened on the battlefield. He got killed, and they even paraded with his ears and cut off his nose, and horrible stuff. So the Prophet was deeply upset, of course, about what happened. Years and years later, he became powerful, he came into power in Mecca, and then there was Hinda. As I read this book, I kept thinking to myself, “Well, so she gets crucified, or her head gets cut off, or something.

However, he stated, “Well, I cannot look at her right now, but everybody is forgiven. And if you want to stay here and live among the Muslims, it’s possible. If you don’t want that, you can go, but blood shedding is over now.’ I thought to myself that she was forgiven. If you can forgive someone who kills a relative, especially a favorite uncle of yours, even starts parading with parts of his body to show other people that she humiliates you and whatever you stand for, it means you have such a great character. It’s very special.

So, I thought to myself, ‘Well, he was a really special guy. I used to think he was a Muhammad (peace be upon him), but then I thought it was too scary because I had already accepted that oneness of God, and now I say he’s a prophet if I say God and Muhammad are one. It’s almost like blasphemy. So, I thought, alright, let’s stop. I stopped reading the books because it felt wrong. The direction and certainty were different.

Now, because of this anti-Islam sentiment, I saw what I experienced. What I’m about to tell you seems a bit like a fairy tale, but it really happened. In the end, all the books were there on the table, and when I felt it, I thought, ‘Okay, it’s kind of a witness.’ I said to myself, ‘Fine, let’s put all the books away,’ and I put them on the highest shelf, but there were so many books.

One fell from the shelf, and it was the Quran. When I picked it up, my hand landed on Surah 22, page 46, and it said, ‘These are not eyes that are blind, but hearts.’ I thought it really was my problem because it wasn’t like that. Those were eyes that I could truly see with.

No one forced me to write this. No book told me that I had to write. Whether I write it or not, I started it. It was me, and I could see it with me. But my eyes still couldn’t accept it. The truth is I said he’s a Muhammad (peace be upon him). Could I not do this?

Were my eyes not blind, but seeing? My heart couldn’t accept it. I think my pride was my nephew, or whatever it is, I couldn’t accept it. I said, ‘God, I don’t care if it’s from God.’

Give me a sign, like the Bible or the Quran, something that I know for sure. It’s a way, and I went to bed, but when I woke up, I felt very secure with myself. I’ve never been like that. More secure than anything else. In complete serenity or complete doubt, the issue disappeared like snow. In the sun, I thought I was a Muslim. And then, I was sure I had it.

What was the reaction of the people around you? When did joram Van become a Muslim?

Most of these are undoubtedly very negative. A lot of people, especially some uncles and aunts, were shocked when they heard it. My mom and my aunt started crying, and my wife was very open about it – yes, she was. About this, he said something very good. He said if Islam is what you truly believe in, and it’s in your heart, then it doesn’t matter who I am, and yes, some of the people from my previous work were indeed genuine.

Hurtfully, I received more than 2,000 death threats from those who supported those people. I am sure those people who voted for me were really sincere. People said some terrible things. He will commit violence with your wife, you know where your kids go to school. So, most of them are probably nonsense because they are crazy. People write things on their computers. So, it was a busy time, and I had to explain my work, and that was it. This Christian organization says that the leader at the back said that I didn’t believe in it, and he said it was good. When you talked, he felt the change.

There were some headlines on the radio about you, a bit more lightly, not so harsh. Now you’re a Muslim, and after I told him, I became a Muslim. I said I couldn’t accept it for two hundred days, that’s how it was. It was strange for me, but the hardest part of all. I had to tell my grandfather because my grandfather was dying, and he was 93 or 94 years old. He was in bed at the time, and my mom and I had to tell him.

He said, “Yes, you’ll have to tell him.” My grandfather was his father, so I said, “Okay, then you’ll have to come with me.” I mean, I just said, “Okay, Grandpa, I’ve become a Muslim,” and then he closed his eyes, and I thought, he really stopped breathing because, yes, he was like that. He was old, and he really stopped breathing.

After a while, he started breathing again. Then he looked at me and said, “Alright, at least you’ve become a Catholic.” So, this last thing is quite funny, and he said it’s good from my old broadcast. We know how we know you haven’t stayed.

Hindu one day and some other day, and I made them understand well that I never made a choice. Religion was once and that was when I was born, I was raised in a Christian family, and I am very thankful for that. All the good things it brought me, but this wasn’t my decision. When I made the decision, I became one. A Muslim, and most of all, as I said. Think about what the most important decision I made was. And this was the most rational decision. I never took years and years, only confirm one thing, become a Muslim.”

How did you feel when you made joram Van first Salah?

The first prayer is undoubtedly a beautiful moment. However, it’s also quite unique because as a Christian, you’re not used to praying regularly. So, when you earnestly pray with your own hands, maybe on your knees by your bedside or somewhere else, it feels very beautiful. When you truly prostrate, you truly bow down in a profound way to your Lord, it’s a very humbling and beautiful thing. Think about it, and yes, it really touched me.

What were the three major challenges joram Van faced when you accepted Islam?

When you embraced this religion, it was indeed a significant challenge because you had to introduce the world to a new family, and this was quite a task. Take on this aspect of thinking. Becoming a Muslim was quite challenging because, especially as a Protestant Christian, many things were different. You had to mold yourself religiously as one. In terms of practice, it’s being a Muslim. It’s necessary to pray five times a day, eat in a specific manner, and think in a special way. You have to strive to be the best in every way.

Due to your connection with the Creator and the fact that you have to pray five times a day, it’s essential. Remember consistently in a special way, the Creator, who makes you so much. I’m aware of the fact that you have one Lord. As a Christian, I thought, “Wow, I can’t do this, I can’t pray five times a day.” It seemed like a daunting task at first, but later, it wasn’t that difficult to become a Muslim.

Are you raising your children as Muslims?

Well, try to make an effort; I really don’t know when you truly raise a child as a Muslim. In my opinion, it’s quite a challenging task, especially when I wasn’t a Muslim at the time of marriage, as you had promised. So, how do you raise your children as Muslims? After converting to Islam, I’m now a Muslim.

I don’t raise my children as Christians. If there are any questions about the children, they ask my wife how they acquire Christian beliefs, and if they come to me, I provide them with Islamic answers, but most of the time, I suggest they ask their father and my wife, who prepares Halal meals for everyone, so that’s very convenient. She says, ‘Alright, I’m not going anywhere. Let’s prepare meals five times a day so everyone can eat Halal. So, in a way, it’s like a compromise.

 What was the heaviest and most regrettable expression joram Van used for Islam?

Regrettable expression that you use for Islam! In my view, Islam is a lie because it’s something I used to call it. A lie, the Quran is poison. But when they said that Islam is light, it’s complete, religion, and everything that comes with it is at the highest level.

In a way, yes, it’s the thing I regret because it was like a veil. Everything else was under that assumption. Islam is a lie because it was there. Fundamental thinking, and I blame it. I, and I know there are many, put the blame on there. The people there don’t practice Islam. They pretend to, and in a way, I understand it. Because politically, and in terms of socio-cultural sentiments, everything is said, and is it still there.

I sometimes hear stories from my old folks. A party that I was dissatisfied with. It’s something that troubles me, and it’s the reason we established an organization called ixc, the Islamic Experiment Center that we run. From primary school to high school, colleges, and even government departments, we aim to dispel misconceptions about Islam by showing its true message. We bring color to it through virtual reality, and it’s a lot of fun, especially with glass. We experiment and try to erase things I said elsewhere.

How should people research Islam?

I recommend not relying solely on Google Now. Give Google advice that it’s the last resort. I suggest shutting it down. In my opinion, it’s crucial as it’s what people read real, pages, and things I suggest. Muhammad based this book on Martin’s source, which I talked about earlier. It’s a green book about the past, and I don’t think it’s essential for people. Dive into the Quran because it’s a lot. It’s a complicated book, and if you don’t have anyone who can teach you, most people read it, especially not knowing about Islam.

Speaking Arabic fluently, let people read only biographies. Study the Roles and life. Muhammad (peace be upon him) because that’s it. The tradition gives us a lesson from his life. It was the Quran in which he lived. The best way to learn is to read it from an Islamic perspective. Read and study life. Understand the Muhammad (peace be upon him)’s life; it’s challenging for Muslims to believe in this attitude because there are many. There are many Muslims like Muslims.

 What would joram Van like to say as your final comments?

In the final insights, I would like to say that once I become a Muslim, I would like to invite everyone to become Muslims. Because it brings peace to your soul. It’s true for your heart. At least, it resonates with your Heart and Soul. Look at life from an Islamic perspective and make an effort to read and study it.

Try to understand what the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was. Muslims do not have so much confidence in this attitude because there are many. Many Muslims, like Muslims, don’t live like Muslims. I don’t always live like a Muslim. Like a Muslim, I shot the bullet that we all do, but you should see everyone’s example. For example, and this was a Muhammad (peace be upon him), and if you study his life, maybe you’ll find it. The guidance that leads you towards it Truth.

 

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